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Dagda Morr
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Posted - 2013.10.17 16:33:00 -
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So just to confirm,
What is considered reasonable is that a POS manager or alliance needs to check every single POS mining or running reactions on the hour for a pair of 10m isk structures or risk having nothing to show?
The risk balance for this by the person dropping the siphons is they need 40m3 cargo space?
If we assume that living in nullsec requires you to patrol your space, what kind of game content is an hourly patrol round at the least tens of moons in multiple systems in the hope of catching a cloaker? Is this what CCP have in mind for life in nullsec? Not fighting for territory, roaming for fun, creating stories or enjoying PVE content but and endless travel along a circular route on an hourly basis to check each and every POS? |
Dagda Morr
Sabotage Incorporated
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Posted - 2013.10.17 16:41:00 -
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Something that has been missed - the best organised large groups in 0.0 are the very groups that are able to mass spam regions on the hour with these. This isn't a tool to help the small guy take a poke at the big guys - it's not going to generate content, it's just going to make the dullest thing in eve even duller..... |
Dagda Morr
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Posted - 2013.10.28 11:48:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Ah yes, the mythological small-entity moon miner. Much like the fabled unicorn of olde. It's simply heartwarming to see all of the larger moon mining entities rise up to the defense of the little man.
And of course, these small-entity moon miners control the most valuable of low sec moons and would naturally be the first targets of so-called griefers, unlike all of the big entities which content themselves with the more worthless moons. You lot are truly magnanimous.
I don't think you know much about lowsec or null - there are plenty of small groups mining a bit of cadmium here or mercury there making a few hundred mil per tower. Big entities don't care abou those moons - the effort to take and hold them is not worth it.
You also have those guys that buy raw mins on buy orders, react it to add value and sell to sell orders in Jita - this is the prime way small to medium sized independant corps make money. Big groups cannot bear to shoot more POS's so ignore these towers.
However
Siphons in their current incarnation will allow large, organised groups to make swathes of low and npc null utterly worthless for this type of activity. Bearing in mind how much the cfc spent on grifing miners and jita, the trivial cost and small size of these units are made for spamming every reaction tower or mining tower in lowsec and npc null. We will likely take a bit of a hit but we are just going to organise to sweep our towers - we'll do it even though we hate it becasue it will drive up the profit for us to spend on making other people cry.
Siphons are not bad - we don't need a limit on them, they just need to be bigger and cost a bit more. When you can fill a blockade runner with a hundred for just a billion and shutdown a POS-based income in a constellation solo, ccp need to have a look if this is really what they want or intend.
Nullsec will adapt - the guys "intended" to be hurt by this will adapt, and they will make a point of abusing it until its nerfed just for the smug satisfaction of being right. |
Dagda Morr
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Posted - 2013.10.28 12:44:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Mythological? I'd wager that at least in lo sec, the vast majority of non-goo producing moons are held by small corporations and alliances. And these moons are where the bulk of T2 reactions take place.
As a reaction moon owner falling under "small corporations", I can tell you with confidence I will close shop if I get hit with these to the point where it is no longer profitable, as I simply cannot babysit my moons 24/7, unlike the larger alliances. It's not hard to see how the introduction of syphons will end benefiting the largest alliances, not hurting them. You can't siphon from complex reaction arrays...
The simple reactants have to come from somewhere...... |
Dagda Morr
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Posted - 2013.10.29 09:40:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Omega Flames wrote:
*wonders when I became mythological..does this mean I get to use Zeus's thunderbolt?
go wander around lowsec for a few jumps and you will find this mythological guy isn't as rare as you imply
How many dyspro moons are held by small lowsec entities? How many dyspro moons are held by the larger entities? What about other R64's? Yeah, exactly. Many small entities do indeed run complex reactions in lowsec, but those aren't affected by these particular siphons. If and when siphons are introduced that do have an effect on reaction arrays, then those siphons can be adjusted as necessary. If you think people are going to siphon R8 moons held by the little guy instead of siphoning R64 moons held by the big guys, you need to have your head examined. Rakshasa Taisab wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Yup. And this is exactly why this change will end up benefiting the power bloc alliances. Cause they are the ones that live in the space where their moons are~~~  Truly, their concern for the little guy is touching.
You are completely detatched from reality - plenty of small entities run simple reactions in low and NPC space all the time. Just becasue you are incredibly poorly informed and desperate to join on a bandwagon does not make what you say true.
You are right that nobody cares about R8 moons - but you should have a look at what cadmium, caesium and chromium moons ect are worth if you mine them. Plenty of small and medium sized groups hold these - and they run simple reactions to feed complex reactions since the margins on buying simple mats to react is so slim it's not worthwhile,
I am sure that R64s held by the big guys will get siphoned, but they are going to be emptied and popped on such a regular basis that it's goign to become worthless dropping them. At the same time the big guys are going to use these to grief everyone and anyone they can - simply as revenge for being made to do ****** sweeps of their moons to remove siphons. The best way to demonstrate the stupidy of a mechanic is to take it to the nth degree till the entire player base is screaming about how horrid it is. If it makes people angry and creates forum tears it will be worth the money spent - maybe the mechanic will be revisited then and made workable. |
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